Comments on: Guns and illegal immigrants http://blog.chungyc.org/2009/10/guns-and-illegal-immigrants/ Random musings in a variety of subjects, from science to religion. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:22:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Yoo http://blog.chungyc.org/2009/10/guns-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-1829 Yoo Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:02:55 +0000 http://blog.chungyc.org/?p=3259#comment-1829 This brings to mind the hefty number of people on the government payroll who are <em>required</em> to carry guns. :p (OK, so soldiers aren't leeching from the government, but neither is it so clearcut that illegal immigrants are leeching: it could be argued the rest of the country is leeching off of them by paying them below-average wages, and they are almost certainly not on the government payroll.) This brings to mind the hefty number of people on the government payroll who are required to carry guns. :p

(OK, so soldiers aren't leeching from the government, but neither is it so clearcut that illegal immigrants are leeching: it could be argued the rest of the country is leeching off of them by paying them below-average wages, and they are almost certainly not on the government payroll.)

]]> By: Stacy http://blog.chungyc.org/2009/10/guns-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-1826 Stacy Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:43:11 +0000 http://blog.chungyc.org/?p=3259#comment-1826 Jeremy - You don't want retired folk on Social Security to be able to buy a gun? Jeremy - You don't want retired folk on Social Security to be able to buy a gun?

]]> By: Yoo http://blog.chungyc.org/2009/10/guns-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-1824 Yoo Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:19:42 +0000 http://blog.chungyc.org/?p=3259#comment-1824 Doing a background check means having at least some gun control, and not shipping any guns is an even stricter control on guns, so obviously such solutions won't satisfy someone who hates any form of gun control. And tying the payment of taxes with gun purchases pretty much has little to do with illegal immigrants, many of whom pay <em>both</em> income tax and sales tax. (Do illegal immigrants often request a refund for the income tax withheld from their paychecks? I somehow doubt that, but then I don't really know how they manage their taxes ...) Obviously, I don't expect anyone's head to explode if they accept a reasonable level of gun control or are not so vehement about illegal immigrants. :p Doing a background check means having at least some gun control, and not shipping any guns is an even stricter control on guns, so obviously such solutions won't satisfy someone who hates any form of gun control. And tying the payment of taxes with gun purchases pretty much has little to do with illegal immigrants, many of whom pay both income tax and sales tax. (Do illegal immigrants often request a refund for the income tax withheld from their paychecks? I somehow doubt that, but then I don't really know how they manage their taxes ...)

Obviously, I don't expect anyone's head to explode if they accept a reasonable level of gun control or are not so vehement about illegal immigrants. :p

]]> By: Jeremy http://blog.chungyc.org/2009/10/guns-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-1822 Jeremy Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:32:41 +0000 http://blog.chungyc.org/?p=3259#comment-1822 Old conservatives would probably say this: if you are doing a background check on an illegal immigrant, then you should know he's an illegal immigrant. New conservatism, i.e. libertarians, would say that you don't do a background check and you don't ship them. I would say, do the background check and give them the gun only after they are entered into the system and start paying taxes. And no one buys a gun if they are on the government dollar. You forgo your rights when you leach from the system. To me, you are a permanent employee of the state and there are not a lot of jobs that let you carry firearms into work. Old conservatives would probably say this: if you are doing a background check on an illegal immigrant, then you should know he's an illegal immigrant.

New conservatism, i.e. libertarians, would say that you don't do a background check and you don't ship them.

I would say, do the background check and give them the gun only after they are entered into the system and start paying taxes. And no one buys a gun if they are on the government dollar. You forgo your rights when you leach from the system. To me, you are a permanent employee of the state and there are not a lot of jobs that let you carry firearms into work.

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